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Red RF routes
Route
215
Utterly fascinating (well, people who like this sort of thing
find this is the sort of thing they like). The RF era is but
a short chapter in the story of the Kingston to Guildford bus
service over the years, inhabiting the period when the roads were
covered partly by red buses and partly by green.
Our data on this route (as with so many) are still
incomplete - if you can add anything, please e-mail us.
Dates of RF operation
6 Jan 60 (Sundays), Oct 61 (weekdays, but see
notes) to 6 Nov 76 (see notes)
Converted to OMO 23 Jan 66
(total 16 years 10 months, of which 6
years crew-operated)
RF461 leaves Kingston
alongside the Thames on 16 October 1976, a week before the route
converted to BL. Note Hinchley Wood on the blind display -
the 215 was rerouted in 1974/75, meaning the blind panel was
produced late enough to have the route number on the nearside, a
feature introduced in 1973. Photo ©
John Parkin
Destinations
KINGSTON – RIPLEY (6 Jan 60 to 29 Dec 67)
KINGSTON – DOWNSIDE (30 Dec 67 to 18 Sep 69, but see
below)
KINGSTON – CHURCH COBHAM (19 Sep 69 to 23 Oct 76)
 RF510, to be one of the RFs in service
from Kingston on the last day, 30 March 1979, seen here having
worked in to Norbiton Garage on a through working from
Cobham.
Photo © C Ballantyne, Peter Gomm
collection
Route history
The story starts by 1924, when the General was running the 115
between Kingston and Guildford every hour on Mondays to
Fridays, along what was then the main London to Portsmouth
road. This passed under the low bridge at Ditton Marsh -
just on the Kingston side of the (later) Scilly Isles, where the
road goes under the main line to Woking, Southampton and
Portsmouth. This is still the same today and was the main
cause of so many Kingston area routes being single-deck.
The Kingston Bypass opened in 1927 and by 1930 the Monday to
Friday 115 was complemented by the double-deck route 620 (to
Guildford) and 620A (Esher only) at weekends.
Because of the low bridge, the 620/A travelled via Hook
and the Kingston Bypass. The Sunday service was twice the
frequency of weekdays, obviously to cater for leisure
traffic. By 1933, the weekend journeys were all numbered
620.
In the 1934 renumbering, the 115 became the 215
(operated by early T class AEC Regals) and the 620 became the
20. By now, the Kingston terminus was 'Kingston Bus
Station'. The 1936 timetable shows a requirement for three
buses, with Guildford Horse & Groom to Burpham
shorts fitted in before each bus returned to Kingston.
RF536, one of the six green
RFs transferred to Sidcup in 1956 and repainted red in 1958, turns
onto the stand in Church Cobham in the 1970s.
Photo © Phil Picken, Peter Gomm
collection
The route ran through Church Cobham in the Guildford direction
only, otherwise keeping to the old A3. 'Church Cobham' is the
main shopping area in the village (where Waitrose is now), leading
down to the River Mole, whilst 'Street Cobham' is the separate
section to the west on the old A3, en route to where Sainsbury's is
now. So far as we can tell, it was only LT that maintained
this historical distinction.
Operated by Kingston garage, the route used T-class AEC Regals
during the 30s, replaced by LTLs in March 1938. Ts were
reintroduced on 6 Dec 1939, under the changes brought about by the
outbreak of war, which led to the withdrawal of the 20 and the 215
becoming a daily service, and its shortening to run from Kingston
to Ripley only. The Guildford to Ripley section became
Country Area route 415. The elegant consistency of numbering
was continued in 1946, when the Green Line route from Guildford to
London was one of the first reintroduced and was given the number
715 (although the 715 never served
Kingston, using the by-pass).
Wartime brought further changes, including the reintroduction of
higher-capacity LTLs in March 1940, assisted at various
times by Ts from the 218 or
219. From May 1943 to July 1945,
the Sunday morning service was withdrawn between Ripley and Esher,
a move that was to have resonance thirty years later.
After the war, new 14T13s progressively replaced the
Scooters from March to October 1946, by which time the
frequency had increased to half-hourly to Ripley, plus Church
Cobham short workings. The Ripley to Kingston journeys
continued to avoid Church Cobham. Kingston had operated a
number of classes of single-decker over the years, and there
were regular reallocations between routes, with Qs replacing
the Ts during 1950 and Ts rejoining the Qs from May
1951. Kingston borrowed Qs from Sidcup on Saturdays to
cover a shortfall on that day; its own buses included ex-Country
4Q4s as well as the 5Q5s. It is reported that TDs were used
after Kingston received its first in spring 1949, but the official
conversion to TD was 6 May 1953. During the 1940s and 1950s,
there was a substantial (but shifting) inter-working of the 215
with the 218, 219 and (from its introduction in 1954) the 215A.
RF536 at the same
location in Church Cobham a week before the end, on 16 Oct
1976.
Photo © John
Parkin
Kingston's Scooters were gone by 1949. The pre-war Ts
lasted until 1953 due to a weak bridge on the 218, and the Qs also
went that year, all swept away by the effect of the deliveries of
red RFs. But Kingston wasn't to see RFs for another six
years, its Ts and TDs ruling the roost until RFs arrived for the
216 in July 1959.
Six months later, in January 1960, Muswell Hill converted the
212 to RT, releasing over 20
RFs. Many were transferred to Kingston overnight
and used to convert the 218 and 219 joint allocation to RF.
At this stage, the TD-operated 215A to Downside was not
approved for the larger RF; as this weekday route was
jointly worked with the 215, the 215 also kept its TDs on
weekdays. However, at that time there was joint Sunday
working of 215, 218 and 219, so the 215 gained RFs on that day
only.
By October 1961, 215 duties that did not include the
215A were converted to RF, followed by the
215A and the rest of the 215 on 28 Feb 62. This
represented the end of TD operation south of the river - they
continued for another eight months at Edgware on the
240A.
The driver of Norbiton's RF489 seems to be filling in his duty
card, apparently before reaching the garage as the bus sits in
front of Fulwell's RM1152 on the 281, some time between 1973
and 1976. Both buses are now preserved.
Photo Peter Gomm collection
Just over 4 years later, OMO-conversion and transfer to
Norbiton of the 215 and 215A occurred on 23
Jan 66, before Kingston's 218/219 (bringing to an end the
joint Sunday working), but after the 216.
The first major change to the route for many years came
on 30 Dec 67, following the withdrawal of the 215A
the previous day. The route was cut back from Ripley to
Church Cobham daily, and journeys extended to Downside Mon-Sat, to
cover the 215A. This left the Cobham to Ripley
section unserved except by Green Line 715. Following a
temporary bridge restriction, the Cobham to Downside journeys were
suspended from September 1968 and formally withdrawn on 18 Jul
69. On 8 Feb 75, the route was diverted to run via Hinchley
Wood.
BLs replaced RFs from Saturday 24 Oct 76, except for Saturdays
when 2 RFs were still required for that day and a further
fortnight, leading to a last day of RF operation of 6 Nov
76.
From 2 Apr 77, Surrey's financial support was withdrawn and
switched to London Country, leading to the withdrawal of the 215
between Esher and Cobham and an increased frequency on Green Line
715 between Guildford and Kingston. Then local resident Steve
Allnutt tells us that this was highly unpopular - a public meeting
was held at Cobham Village Hall when plans were announced to
withdraw the 215 service. The angry audience were told that the
Green Line 715 route would now serve the village and be re-routed
in to Kingston (having previously used Kingston Bypass; the low
bridge at Ditton Marsh meaning the RMCs wuld not return). A
march from Cobham was organised about 20 people, along the route
for the 7 miles to County offices! Following the
establishment of the new service, temporary bus stops were added
along the route, but it was soon recognised that residents of the
council estate Northfield Road/Wyndham Avenue could not alight
before a 'round robin' tour of the village and were eventually let
off at the Street Cobham White Lion bus stop toward
Guildford. Steve tells us he 'hijacked' a bus stop from
Fairmile Corner on the A3 and placed it opposite Old Common Road on
several nights - the new stop was eventually established!

BL51 displays the black on yellow blind that
was intended to alert passengers that the bus was taking a
roundabout route to Kingston.
Photo Ian Armstrong collection
Having seen reasonable stability as a route under RF operation,
change now came thick and fast. The following year, on 28 Oct
78, the route was completely revised to operate from Kingston via
Surbiton and Claygate to Esher and Hampton Court, replacing the
206 and part of the 201, and the allocation moved back to
Kingston.
Kingston's BLs were replaced by Norbiton LSs in 1982, by
which time the route had been cut back from Hanpton Court to Lower
Green, with a school journey to Giggs Hill and back to
Kingston. These confusing workings used black on yellow
blinds to warn the travelling public. The route was finally
withdrawn on 26 Jun 87, replaced by midibus
route K3.
Just to complete the picture of the other related routes, the
715 was replaced by the 415 in the 1990s, working for a period
through to Victoria, which was in turn replaced by the 515 now
operating between Kingston and Guildford. How tidy.
RF route in detail, with timing points
The 1964 bus map (© London Transport)
shows the route running off the edge at
Wisley, plus the section to Downside taken over
from the 215A in 1967.

KINGSTON Bus Station (inbound terminus KINGSTON STATION
from 1964 or 1965), Clarence Street, Eden Street, High Street
Kingston, Portsmouth Road, Brighton
Road Portsmouth Road, Portsmouth Road, Esher Marquis of Granby,
Portsmouth Road, High Street Esher, Esher High St, Portsmouth Road,
Fairmile Lane Portsmouth
Road, Portsmouth Road Cobham, Anyards Road,
Church Cobham Post
Office, Between Streets (return direct by Portsmouth
Road), Street Cobham White
Lion, Portsmouth Road Wisley, Wisley Hut Hotel, Portsmouth Road
Wisley, Ripley High Street, RIPLEY Post Office (RF
operation up to 29 Dec 67).
KINGSTON Bus Station, Clarence Street (return via Wood
Street), Eden Street, High Street Kingston, Portsmouth Road,
Dittons Winters
Bridge, Portsmouth Road, Esher Marquis of Granby,
Portsmouth Road, High Street Esher, Esher High Street, Portsmouth
Road, Fairmile Lane Portsmouth
Road, Portsmouth Road Cobham, Anyards Road,
Church Cobham Post
Office (return by Between Streets, Street Cobham), High
Street Cobham, Church Street, Bridge Road, Downside Road, Downside
Common Road, DOWNSIDE COMMON (30 Dec 67 to 18 Jul 69, but see
notes).
KINGSTON Bus Station, Clarence Street, (return via Wood
Street), Eden Street, High Street Kingston, Portsmouth Road,
Dittons Winters
Bridge, Portsmouth Road, Esher Marquis of Granby,
Portsmouth Road, High Street Esher, Esher High Street, Portsmouth
Road, Fairmile Lane Portsmouth
Road, Portsmouth Road Cobham, Anyards Road, CHURCH
COBHAM Post Office (return by Between Streets, Street
Cobham) (19 Jul 69 to 7 Feb 75).
KINGSTON Bus Station, Clarence Street, (return via Wood
Street), Eden Street, High Street Kingston, Portsmouth Road,
Dittons Winters
Bridge, Thorkhill Road, Ewell Road, Sugden Road, Manor
Road North, Hinchley Wood
Station, Kingston By-pass, Esher Marquis of Granby,
Portsmouth Road, High Street Esher, Esher High Street, Portsmouth
Road, Fairmile Lane Portsmouth
Road, Portsmouth Road Cobham, Anyards Road, CHURCH
COBHAM Post Office, (return by Between Streets, Street
Cobham) (8 Feb 75 to 6 Nov 76).
Norbiton garage journeys: As shown in the above picture, garage
journeys to Norbiton were supposed to show 'Norbiton Church'.
Norbiton driver Stan Attewell (see 'Memories' below) tells us that
at the commencement of service, bus ran out of service to start
work at Kingston Bus Station. Inbound to Norbiton on
meal relief journeys and at the end of the day, there were a
few reguler passengers that used the Norbiton Church
service, but in practice many drivers displayed
'Kingston' and then took a short cut down Gordon
Road.
Garages
K Kingston (to 22 Jan 66)
NB Norbiton (from 23 Jan 66)
Vehicle allocation
Allocation joint with 215A M-S to 1967
PVR 1960: Mon-Fri 9 TD, Sat 9 TD, Sun 15 RF jointly with 218 and
219 (18 in summer)
PVR 1961: Mon-Fri 6 TD, Sat 7 TD, Sun 8 RF
jointly with 218 and 219
PVR 1962: Mon-Fri 6, Sat 7, Sun 8 jointly with 218 and 219 (10
in summer)
PVR 1966 (OMO, NB): Mon-Fri 7, Sat 8, Sun 2
PVR 1967 (Dec): Mon-Fri 6, Sat 7, Sun 2
PVR 1969: Mon-Fri 5, Sat 6, Sun 2
PVR 1971: Mon-Fri 5, Sat 6, Sun 1
PVR 1972: Mon-Fri 4, Sat 6, Sun 1
PVR 24-31 Oct 76: Mon-Fri 4 BL, Sat 2 RF + 4 BL, Sun 1
BL
Memories
Stan Attewell was employed at Norbiton from June 1964 to
1990 and started driving crewed RFs on 201 & 264. He
shares a few of his memories:
'I started work at NB in June 1964 and trained at Chiswick
on the RTW, then type-trained on a Private Hire RF and the RM.
I initially worked with a conductor on the 201 and 264
(without doors of course). In November 1964, the 201 went OMO
and I transfered to that for another £5 a week. In 1966,
we got the 215/A and then in 1969 RFs started
working the 285 on Sundays. I stayed on RFs until the BLs
arrived.
One evening on late duty I pulled into Kingston after completing
a journey from Downside, when a police officer and bus inspector
came over to me to ask a favour. A Southdown coach was parked there
whose driver had been injured when someone had thrown something at
the screen. They asked if I would take the passengers to
Victoria, where all-night coaches had been told to wait for my
arrival. We loaded 45 people onto the RF plus loads of
suitcases down the gangway and off I went. When I got there,
the poor RF was steaming but the passengers all got their
connections.
Another time, I was the last bus to Downside. It snowed in
the early hours of the morning and had settled when I got to
Downside. To turn at the common, you had to reverse into a
side road. As I did so, the bus lost all its air pressure
- it transpired it was because snow had got under the bus and
the belts were slipping. The engineers came out to remove the
snow from the underneath with hessian flares, but in doing so
they set the floor alight. I was in someone's house having a
cup of tea at the time.'
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